NPR's Scott Simon speaks to ESPN senior writer Howard Bryant about the NFL's response to a shift in the culture over racial injustice and NASCAR's banning of the Confederate flag.

BRYANT: Well, I'm very dubious about all of it because I do believe that Roger Goodell listened to players.

And that also we don't have the one thing that you really need from football, and that is you need the owners, whom Roger Goodell works for, to come out and say Colin Kaepernick is welcome to play in the NFL.

SIMON: NASCAR banned the Confederate flag at races - better after 70 years than never?

SIMON: NPR's Howard Bryant, thanks so much for being with us.