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If there’s one thing you don’t miss about sitting in the barbershop, it’s the endless debates about who’s better; Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, or LeBron James.

While the late great Kobe Bryant was known for having fantastic relationships with both– Jordan spoke on the brotherly relationship with Bryant at his Staples Center memorial, and James’ relationship with Kobe began to grow once the former took over the Los Angeles Lakers.

But the relationship between Jordan and James has seldom been talked about– until now.

But you should really take 48 minutes and listen to the whole thing to hear about James almost playing football, his thoughts on The Last Dance, hypothetical Dream Team vs. Redeem Team matchup, and much more.

As recent as 2016, James reveals that after winning several championships, his only motivation on the court is Jordan.